Curse

Oofus · Aug 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Zorgy

"...Uhhh.... what? ? ? What does Herb, or any other collectors, have to do with this? The least you could do is make your flames coherent..." said Oofus

Why are you so naive?

Maybe you are doing it on purpose?

You dont see the link between Herb & his mates (famous rare items collectors) & the armbrace trick ???

Come on you jokin

Herb hasnt been playin GW for months, he said he prefered to stay in LA (no Los Angeles but Lion's Arch) chating through vent/ts with friends, showing each others items, surfing the net....to check prices maybe

He is one of the best informed "bizeness player" in GW

Come on folks open your eyes............

Are you, I dont know, out of your frickin mind? LMAO. Go put yur tin-foil hat back on quick.

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Originally Posted by max gladius

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x...rent=gw666.jpg

nope chunky butt, u had nothing at all to do with it....

You win the post of the year award Max.

lol

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

and it is still stupid to ban people when they payed money for the game for their mistake

You can pay the entrance fee to a night club, but that doesn't give you the right to urinate on the dance floor.

o m g pizowned · Aug 14, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Zorgy

Sorry dude, i desagree

"...Why are you so concerned about Herb or anyone else like him that loves to collect? How does it affect you? It is not I, or anyone else that is upset by your words, it is you who is upset enough to post said words..."

You make me laugh a lot, you have a bad build I would say......You show me your weakness.

I said what I think about the WHOLE situation, Herb knows a lot

and you dont OWN the truth (someone mentioned that the duped item is called ARMBRACE OF TRUTH... really funny). Thats all.

Anet is wise, and will do the maximum to exterminate those evil "players"....whoever they are LOL

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE refrain from posting again. i've had a good laugh looking at all your idiotic posts. you don't know anything about this situation, sit down before you get sticked.

also, getting on herb is starting to be creepy. you know and care too much about him, leave him out of it. he's an old timer and of course is curious because he is one of the legit people with a lot of money

and i'll ask again STOP POSTING

[riVen] · Aug 14, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

and it is still stupid to ban people when they payed money for the game for their mistake

One more time, since you don't seem to get it: Just because anet made a "mistake" (oversight?) doesn't make it okay to exploit it. Common sense > human nature.

Martin Alvito · Aug 14, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

All true but, still they are banning people for even duping 1 item by accident, and also i remember the first time they messed up and ectos went to 250g and everyone bought them this is why some people are still so rich and they didnt rollback, isnt that kinda the same?

1) The reset you refer to was deliberate; ANet did it to fix prices that had gotten out of control due to some bad code they introduced to the trader system.

2) Very, very few people got rich off that reset, as the traders were perma-sold out shortly after the reset occurred. Only the most fortunate that stumbled across it in the first hour or so made out like bandits.

Apparently ANet decided that these consequences were worth it given that superior monk runes were going for 70k and ectos were going for 30k.

This is not a comparable incident. You are misinformed.

Just Another Chest Runner · Aug 14, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by joze

People are receiving permanent bans (code 45's that is) for buying duped Armbraces. I see no reason why people couldn't wait a couple of days for this to sort out.
Buying an Armbrace is good for the duper, but bad for you. You can choose sides. One pays off. Bad.

So what about the people who were oblivious? and how can you know which armbraces were real anyways? o.O

The Herbalizer · Aug 14, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Wow how can you ban people for this? It's your mistake @Anet not theirs. If a bank blew up and $50000million dollars were all over the floor, would everyone leave it and not pick it up? Its human nature, and your banning people for that.

Im not sure about the situation you gave.

But I have definately read about a court case where someone was found guilty for spending money which the bank accidenly put into their bank account.

If someone accidently leaves their house unlocked when they are out does not give everyone the right to steal from the house.

Anyway the EULA says you cant abuse exploits.

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

and it is still stupid to ban people when they payed money for the game for their mistake

Not really. The item duping is similar to shoplifting. You're on Anet's property, and taking things (copying) that you didn't pay for (earn) and getting away with it because of a security hole (bug/exploit). Some people attempted the same feat (testing the exploit), but instead of actually taking the item, they turned it in to security (reported it) to show how it could be done so that measures could be taken to prevent it (fix bug). Now they are reviewing security footage to see who all shoplifted and are not allowing them back to the store (banned from game).

Sounds completely reasonable to me. Two reasons why this is very light punishment - 1) these shoplifters can simply re-disguise themselves and be a customer again (buy a new account) & 2) No legal action was taken, just a slap on the wrist and a "don't come back!"

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Wow how can you ban people for this? It's your mistake @Anet not theirs. If a bank blew up and $50000million dollars were all over the floor, would everyone leave it and not pick it up? Its human nature, and your banning people for that.

First of all, the "bank" in this case didn't "blow up", the vault door was hacked into and currencies were robbed. Now the culprits are laundering their money... it is in the authority's right to detain anyone who may have obtained the ill-begotten goods, even if it means temporary detention.

MrFuzzles · Aug 14, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Wow how can you ban people for this? It's your mistake @Anet not theirs. If a bank blew up and $50000million dollars were all over the floor, would everyone leave it and not pick it up? Its human nature, and your banning people for that.

LOL TEH BANK FORGET 2 LOCK THERE VAULT SO ITS OK IF U TAEK TEH MONAYS CUZ ITS THERE OWN FAULT LOLO

If someone forgets to lock their house and you walk in and take their car-keys and steal their car, it's - ethically - the exact same thing as knowingly getting too much change back when buying groceries and keeping it. The only difference is that in one situation you're taking, in the other you're keeping.

Integrity, ethics, and morals are some of the things you will have to learn as you grow up.

Passive Keke · Aug 14, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Firstly how do you think it was discovered that you could dupe items, clearly by accident. Secondly how can i be misinformed about the first market crash, i was their and got rich. Next your acting like this is on such a large scale to events such as the first market crash. A very small amount of people were affected by the first market crash and no one got banned but people got rich, and a very small amount are affected now.

evilkingsky · Aug 14, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Follow the EULA and you won't get banned, enough said.

Passive Keke · Aug 14, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Of course its mainly their fault wow, if you leave all your windows and doors open and go away for 2weeks and your house gets robbed, your asking for that right? so imo its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other and therefore unfair to bann people for this. This has nothing to do with morals and ethics etc because its a game and making people pay money for this game and banning them even though your slightly to blame is totally unfair.

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

...and a very small amount are affected now.

It's not how many people benefitted, it's the amount of damages inflicted... specifically to the economy.

1 person stealing a billion dollar inflicts just as much damages as 1 billion people stealing 1 dollar each.

hallomik · Aug 14, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

these shoplifters can simply re-disguise themselves and be a customer again (buy a new account)

I thought if you were perma-banned, you couldn't use the same name, address, email address, or IP address.

A person could fake all of that, I suppose, but that seems pretty tough to get around. No?

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Firstly how do you think it was discovered that you could dupe items, clearly by accident. Secondly how can i be misinformed about the first market crash, i was their and got rich. Next your acting like this is on such a large scale to events such as the first market crash. A very small amount of people were affected by the first market crash and no one got banned but people got rich, and a very small amount are affected now.

No, I highly doubt that. Perhaps, back in Everquest or Diablo back in the day, the duping of an item might have been found by accident. Since then, people have looked and tried everything in their power to dupe items in online games. If it's possible in one game, it may be possible in others, and it is, more times than not.

Since Guild Wars went live, people have tried to find a way to dupe items. Someone found a way. It was not an accident this time.

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Originally Posted by hallomik

I thought if you were perma-banned, you couldn't use the same name, address, email address, or IP address.

A person could fake all of that, I suppose, but that seems pretty tough to get around. No?

I'm pretty sure you may be right on all of that but IP. A friend of mine was banned (a year ago), and his roommate was still able to use his account (which was on the same router, and of course, IP). Either way, a new IP is easy enough to get, and so is the rest of the information.

Passive Keke · Aug 14, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Ofc we should all follow the EULA but i think Anet is to blame aswel and i think its unfair to ban

evilkingsky · Aug 14, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Of course its mainly their fault wow, if you leave all your windows and doors open and go away for 2weeks and your house gets robbed, your asking for that right? so imo its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other and therefore unfair to bann people for this. This has nothing to do with morals and ethics etc because its a game and making people pay money for this game and banning them even though your slightly to blame is totally unfair.

So if someone robs a house with unlocked doors, they should be able to get away with it? Nice logic.

SerenitySilverstar · Aug 14, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Ya know, we're all gonna get past this and say some time down the track "Hey, remember the duped armbrace incident of August 2007?"

FFW · Aug 14, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Somehow I feel that anet tries to make other ppl suffer for there mistakes. Banning ppl because they fail at keeping this game running properly. They fail at so many fronts except at banning ppl for lame reasons.
Some armors got a bug, they dont fix it. Ha was full with bugs, they just remove the map. The whole game is bugged they ban ppl.
Anet just do your job and u dont have to ban so much. If u cant say certain words in local make sure they get filtered out.
If u dont want ppl to exploit certain bugs just make sure the game works properly. good luck with it.